Z man, help us out please.

What was up with some of the quality of the Deans put out from the Chinese factory in and around 2006?


And what about those "ping" trems. I don't know if you want to talk about this but please, it would mean a lot to know some of this information.

As I've said numerous times before, my CFH is 8 pieces, glued together. What's up with that Dean?


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Hey MZDA
I read the forums and most of you are are fine guitar enthusiasts and intelligent consumers.
All I really feel comfortable saying is...You know what's up with that...and you know who you really should be asking.

I want to thank you and everybody for supporting the DBZ Guitar Forum...we are off to a fine start!
More guitar models next week...

Dean Z

Thanks Dean!

What the hell are Ping Trems? The only real quality import I have is my Soggy crotch 79 ML Cherryburst. It's as solid as my USA ones. The rest feel like toys.

Ping "OFR's" made to the same standards and are supposedly on par with the german-made OFR's. As you can see they're fairly different compared to the Dean "Ping" licensed trems.

PiNG are the supposed makers of those "upgraded" trems like on the Dime guitars, CFH, FBD, Razorbacks.

Honestly they're just a mystery trem. Nobody knows who makes them and I thought Mr. Z could help with that.


And my Email has been sent.

those look nothing like the trems that were on my deans.

Exactly.

thats' my point.

as dean said you know who you should ask... NOT Dean btw. how about asking someone who ACTUALLY works for dean guitars.

Okay, let's get specific. If you want to know about parts used on Armadillo Deans, ask Armadilldo, aka ELLIOTT.

Just thought Dean could shed some light that's all. I sent an email to Elliott.

Here's the answer. "In all price ranges of Dean guitars, the best quality parts are used for the price range. Naturally, you won't find a $200 Original Floyd Rose on a $300 guitar. The ping trems are fine quality and 99% of complaints are due to poor setup."

Let me know how close I am.

Yup, that will probably be the response. Nobody expects to find $200 trems on $300 guitars though, we want to know why we're finding $50 trems on $1000 guitars.

I wonder if this email is going to ruffle any feathers.

Hopefully it does and sparks a change in the way things are done. I love my ML X for what it is, but sometime in the next year or so it's going to be time for me to start thinking about getting something a little nicer. I'll probably never be able to justify owning more than 2 good guitars and I'd love for one of them to be a good quality ML, but given the cost and features of the current high end Dean imports (I have serious doubts of ever being able to justify a USA model from any company), I'm not so sure I can justify it.

I hear what you say about $50 trems on $1000 guitars. Do I dare say? Sure, why not?! Thos are not $1000 guitars. They're $500 guitars with $1000 price tags.

I guess that's the overarching point. Why are they charging $1000 for something that isn't really worth more than $600?

Very simple, because people are paying $1,000 for $500 guitars. If they didn't sell, they wouldn't make them. I think it's kinda funny actually. Some people have bought guitars, after they tried them out, for $1,000 or more. Then they have the balls to complain about quality. Well, you tried the damn thing out, if you didn't like it...why did you buy it?!

Elliott said he was gonna try and give me a call tonight when he gets some free time to discuss my CFH. I'm most likely going to bring up the trems as well.

Please, maybe we can finally find out just what the deal is with these things.

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD!!!!

I just got off the phone with THE Elliott!

CEO of Armadillo!! Oh my God! OMG OMG OMG.

They're sending me an RA for my CFH. He wants to take a look at it personally! :)



as for the trems!



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Straight from the horses mouth, nothing against Elliott (since I just called him a hourse )



he said he honestly doesn't know who makes them. He said they're trying to slowly make their way to all OFR's sooner rather than later.

He wants to look at my CFH, I told him about the pieces, he asked what I meant and I tried my best to describe them and he understood. I told him about the horrible frets it had, since he asked me how it played, I told him it plays awesome, since I had the frets crowned and polished.

I told him about the unstable trem posts. They want to check out my CFH :)



Hope this helps guys! I'm giddy like a school girl!!!!

Call me dumb, but what's an RA?

And about your CFH, I thought it was bad having an ML body made out of 3 peices. I would like to ask Elliott a few things myself but I know that'll never happen. Hell, maybe Dean could answer some of them. Maybe I'll shoot him a PM and see if he responds.

When I'm under pressure it's really hard for me to talk LOL

Talking to the CEO of Dean I was stumbling like I was drunk LOL I tried my best to explain the situation and I think I did a good job. I think He'll see it :)


I believe an RA is basically them sending me a box with a prepaid shipping thing, me packking my CFH and sending it to them with me not having to pay :)

Cool s***! Thanks for the info, Justin! I wonder what the dealers who have been telling us that these are PiNG trems would have to say about this? Kinda weird. Good to see he actually cares about the consumer, though. Can't wait to see what he says after receiving your CFH.

maybe they want to step up with the complaints about thier product now that DEAN Z is back in action.

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Thanks Minted Cow

I just noticed this. You're telling me that the CEO of a company that makes guitars, doesn't even know where the trems are made that are used on the guitars?!?!

Holy shxt!

I'm sorry but that's just wrong. If I were making guitars, or the CEO of a guitar company....I'd have my hands in on pretty much everything.

That wasn't meant to bash Elliott or anything. I'm just saying what he told me since you guys were interested.

Here's a picture of my CFH, with marker outlying the glue joints.

Can't see s*** from that pic, even with the marks pointing them out. 8 pieces...that's crazy. Maybe take a pic in natural light on an angle?

Isn't the Ltd Slime run based on the CFH? If some one who has one could take a pic maybe it has the same number of pieces as MZDA's CFH. The natural back would show up joints a lot better. I looked through all my pics and don't have one of the back. :(

I will have to pull it out and look!

The Guitar that is, I do not think there were that many pieces. MY CFH/DFH only has 3 or 4 Glue Lines/Seams

I know the picture doesn't show any joints, they're f***ing hard to shoot. For real. I'm sure people on the dean forum are like "yeah sure whatever"

That's why I marked them with sharpie to show them without actually photographing the seams.

Look at the one all the way to the right LOL

So you are saying the body is made of 8 pieces of wood ?, i thought that it was the entire guitar that was 8 pieces, that could actually be normal.

Now i can definately see why you have issues with it.

I'm having a hard time understanding.

You thought I meant neck+body+(maybe headstock) = 8 pieces?

that would be normal, because the body would be three, the neck 3, and the headstock 3.

But not, it's just on the body, God knows about the neck


Hey DBZslime, how much do your slimes weigh? My CFH is light, maybe 6 or 7 lbs if that.

Once my CFH is ready to start it's trip I'll start a thread on the Dean forum kind of documenting it. I'm not going to include the trem part though since I don't want anyone to be like "U is lyins holmes".

Justin,

Both weigh in at around 8 lbs. on the nose! Both are 3 Piece Bodies, Seams were hard to locate quickly so they did a damn good job at matching on these Natural Back Guitars. They must feel that they can hide that stuff under the paint! On my CFH/DFH the Seams were clear o the back, but I thik there were only two meaning a 3 piece body.

Chris

Wow 8 pieces....must have been chopstick blems they could'nt sell to the low end Chineese take-out reaturants...they are crafty lil buggers.....

It is called making guitars out of scraps that would normally go in the dumpster or sold as firewood.
Second thought, they probably don't sell firewood in China.

I can see the seams fine, but they're hard to photograph like a said. Lucky you though

The 79' ML I'm getting from berserker is 3 pieces, or so he said and it's around 9 or 10lbs, again so he said. We'll see :)

Floyded or String Through? String Through's that I have owned have been heavier.

String through. Maybe he just doesn't know what he's talking about

It's minty though, I traded my amp head for it.

LOL.

It's true though. They wanted like X-Ray pictures of my CFH

Just checked the JeepFlag, only 7 Lb.

I'd be interested to know what it weighs when you receive it.

C.

I believe it.

I'll weigh the 79 once I get it. I don't have a scale but I'm pretty good at estimating the weight.

I can't wait to see what happens with this 8 peice CFH body! Should be interesting.

I'll start a thread on the Dean forum about it. Starting from the day I ship my CFH to what happens along the way.

If tormentor could get a new guitar for when he dropped it and chipped a piece I should have no problem getting a new guitar from Dean.