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Editing this topic out. I was going to post my gear instead, but I wanted to add a big-picture warning in the title.
sure.. im sure we would all be grateful to start up a "knowledge base" here 
We could always need some of that stuff here.
yep sounds good
Thanks guys! Too bad I didn't see the replies earlier, I'll try adding things every day. I'm a bit tired though so I might be editing some things in and out.
Lots of information up, sorry for mis-information or anything.. I got a big hungry and tired lol
Hey Joe, I've got some input to your info - you may want to do some editing:
"Earlier electric guitar models were simple. It was just a slab of wood with pickups... The guitar was a 2x4 peice of wood that was paited up fancy then had the electronics placed on, and of course a bolt-on neck"
I think you mean the first solid-body electric guitar was Les Paul's "The Log" which was a 4 x 4 fence post. The first electric guitars were Spanish guitars with pickups - that is where Gibson got the term "ES" for Electric Spanish.
"More thin wood should be alright in my book, as long as it's not used for the neck. Thin wood used on a guitar's neck will allow it to bend more, since thinner wood is more flexible. Thinner wood will allow you to get out of tune easier, have a less rich sound, generally will have a less great feel, and finally will be much lighter. However, this wood is usually more cheap and all-and-all it's not too bad, actually; depending on how much you're willing to put up with."
Do you mean the density of the wood? Because there really is no such thing as "thin" wood. There are light woods, woods with tighter grain, hard woods, soft woods... The density of the wood affects the tone and the stiffness. Also remember that the truss rod in the neck is what keeps the neck strait.
"Now, necks are a big deal, this is where thin wood can alter how long you stay in tune."
Again, there is no "thin" wood. The thickness of the neck also has nothing to do with the tuning ever since the use of truss rods.
"The three most common fretboard woods are; Rosewood, maple, and ebony."
Correct. Add that rosewood is a "warmer" sounding wood - you get less treble response, more mids and lows - with a smoother attack. Maple is a "brighter" wood - you get more treble, less mids and lows - and a sharper attack. Ebony is a "bright" wood - very clear, very sharp attack. (Keep in mind that within each type of wood there are different species of that variety that will accentuate the characteristics of that variety.)
"Truss rods are placed under the neck and determine how stiff the neck is."
Truss rods really are used to counter the tension of strings and maintain the curvature - or straightness - of the fretboard.
"And finally, most guitars have 3 or 2 joints from the neck. One on the top, the headstock; and one on the bottom, the body. I described this middle joint as the "shaft"."
Are you talking about if a neck is shaped from a solid piece of wood - or if it has a separate headstock piece?
"Single coil.
I believe Leo Fender invented this one, he took his time perfecting it and laid a railroad for later, more beefy inventions. It's a single row of poles, hence single coil."
Actually it's called single coil because it has a single coil of wire wrapped around the poles.
"Humbucker.
I believe the guy who created Gibson invented this one, kill me cause I don't know his name. This idea was never patented or anything, which is why we see it being so massive in production today. "
The humbucker design is patented. The PAF's you hear about (Patent Applied For) are the humbuckers that were built prior to Gibson getting the patent. Seth Lover is the guy who invented the humbucker design while an employee of Gibson (Seymour Duncan gave props to Seth by naming one of his pickups the Seth Lover model.) The reason why the early PAF's are so cherished is that they were hand-wound - each pickup had it's own unique tone. (which is why the term PAF applied to mass manufactured pickups is so ridiculous.)
"It's two row of poles instead of one, together."
Humbuckers have two coils, wound in reverse of each other - which combined with the reverse polarity of each magnet, give you a hum-cancelling effect - hence the name "Humbucker".
"P90.
Soapbar, P90, Stacked humbucker. Same deal. "
P90's are not stacked humbuckers. P90's are single coil pickups with a wider bobbin. The wider bobbin allows the pickup to be influenced by a wider area of string vibration - giving it a fatter tone. A "soapbar P90" is a specific style of P90 - called soapbar because the cover looks like a bar of soap (seriously) - the other type of P90 is a "dog-ear P90", called dog-ear because the pickup cover has two extensions off the side for screws.
"Electronics.
Generally, a single coil pickup will require 25k pots. "
You mean 250k.
A humbucker pickup will require 50k pots.
Make that 500k.
>>> Don't mean to jump on ya' Joe, just want to make sure people get the correct info. Cool?
"Earlier electric guitar models were simple. It was just a slab of wood with pickups... The guitar was a 2x4 peice of wood that was paited up fancy then had the electronics placed on, and of course a bolt-on neck"
I think you mean the first solid-body electric guitar was Les Paul's "The Log" which was a 4 x 4 fence post. The first electric guitars were Spanish guitars with pickups - that is where Gibson got the term "ES" for Electric Spanish.
"More thin wood should be alright in my book, as long as it's not used for the neck. Thin wood used on a guitar's neck will allow it to bend more, since thinner wood is more flexible. Thinner wood will allow you to get out of tune easier, have a less rich sound, generally will have a less great feel, and finally will be much lighter. However, this wood is usually more cheap and all-and-all it's not too bad, actually; depending on how much you're willing to put up with."
Do you mean the density of the wood? Because there really is no such thing as "thin" wood. There are light woods, woods with tighter grain, hard woods, soft woods... The density of the wood affects the tone and the stiffness. Also remember that the truss rod in the neck is what keeps the neck strait.
"Now, necks are a big deal, this is where thin wood can alter how long you stay in tune."
Again, there is no "thin" wood. The thickness of the neck also has nothing to do with the tuning ever since the use of truss rods.
"The three most common fretboard woods are; Rosewood, maple, and ebony."
Correct. Add that rosewood is a "warmer" sounding wood - you get less treble response, more mids and lows - with a smoother attack. Maple is a "brighter" wood - you get more treble, less mids and lows - and a sharper attack. Ebony is a "bright" wood - very clear, very sharp attack. (Keep in mind that within each type of wood there are different species of that variety that will accentuate the characteristics of that variety.)
"Truss rods are placed under the neck and determine how stiff the neck is."
Truss rods really are used to counter the tension of strings and maintain the curvature - or straightness - of the fretboard.
"And finally, most guitars have 3 or 2 joints from the neck. One on the top, the headstock; and one on the bottom, the body. I described this middle joint as the "shaft"."
Are you talking about if a neck is shaped from a solid piece of wood - or if it has a separate headstock piece?
"Single coil.
I believe Leo Fender invented this one, he took his time perfecting it and laid a railroad for later, more beefy inventions. It's a single row of poles, hence single coil."
Actually it's called single coil because it has a single coil of wire wrapped around the poles.
"Humbucker.
I believe the guy who created Gibson invented this one, kill me cause I don't know his name. This idea was never patented or anything, which is why we see it being so massive in production today. "
The humbucker design is patented. The PAF's you hear about (Patent Applied For) are the humbuckers that were built prior to Gibson getting the patent. Seth Lover is the guy who invented the humbucker design while an employee of Gibson (Seymour Duncan gave props to Seth by naming one of his pickups the Seth Lover model.) The reason why the early PAF's are so cherished is that they were hand-wound - each pickup had it's own unique tone. (which is why the term PAF applied to mass manufactured pickups is so ridiculous.)
"It's two row of poles instead of one, together."
Humbuckers have two coils, wound in reverse of each other - which combined with the reverse polarity of each magnet, give you a hum-cancelling effect - hence the name "Humbucker".
"P90.
Soapbar, P90, Stacked humbucker. Same deal. "
P90's are not stacked humbuckers. P90's are single coil pickups with a wider bobbin. The wider bobbin allows the pickup to be influenced by a wider area of string vibration - giving it a fatter tone. A "soapbar P90" is a specific style of P90 - called soapbar because the cover looks like a bar of soap (seriously) - the other type of P90 is a "dog-ear P90", called dog-ear because the pickup cover has two extensions off the side for screws.
"Electronics.
Generally, a single coil pickup will require 25k pots. "
You mean 250k.
A humbucker pickup will require 50k pots.
Make that 500k.
>>> Don't mean to jump on ya' Joe, just want to make sure people get the correct info. Cool?
Don't sweat it Screamer, I tried looking up some things. I was really tired and hungry when I made the first edit, and there will be a lot more edits coming along with a lot more information. Thanks for the help too btw! Would hate for someone to read my post and get crap completely wrong because of it so yeah, much appriciated
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Actually, I said that before I read your whole post. I have to admit, for the most part you did hit the nail to the head. But for a lot, it was a swing and miss.
I think you mean the first solid-body electric guitar was Les Paul's "The Log" which was a 4 x 4 fence post. The first electric guitars were Spanish guitars with pickups - that is where Gibson got the term "ES" for Electric Spanish.
Actually, no. I was thinking about a company that actually faded away after the product I mensioned. As stated in my post, I was going to get up a picture of it and everything. A little patience goes a long way.
Do you mean the density of the wood? Because there really is no such thing as "thin" wood. There are light woods, woods with tighter grain, hard woods, soft woods... The density of the wood affects the tone and the stiffness. Also remember that the truss rod in the neck is what keeps the neck strait.
Soft. I meant soft. But if you were here, and did the same carving as I did, you'd think that thin would be a good word to describe it, too. Along with this you mensioned the truss rod, now I understand perfectly but a little metal rod isn't going to determine the whole neck.
Again, there is no "thin" wood. The thickness of the neck also has nothing to do with the tuning ever since the use of truss rods.
Haha, you kidding? I'll try getting up some examples later on. I did NOT learn this myself, someone had to show me in depth on how this part works and maybe I could bring it up too.
Correct. Add that rosewood is a "warmer" sounding wood - you get less treble response, more mids and lows - with a smoother attack. Maple is a "brighter" wood - you get more treble, less mids and lows - and a sharper attack. Ebony is a "bright" wood - very clear, very sharp attack. (Keep in mind that within each type of wood there are different species of that variety that will accentuate the characteristics of that variety.)
Well, since you critisized what I said in a manner that if I stated this info right here you'd be on me. So, my turn? Fretboard wood is not an amplifier, you cannot scoop the mids or anything of the sort.
Truss rods really are used to counter the tension of strings and maintain the curvature - or straightness - of the fretboard.
See! LOL, this is exactly what I meant from the last comment! All you did here was rephrase what I said .. Jesus Christ.
Are you talking about if a neck is shaped from a solid piece of wood - or if it has a separate headstock piece?
Body has a joint for the neck, the neck is placed there, the neck is headless and has a headstock placed on. Some guitars you will find without a joint for the headstock
Actually it's called single coil because it has a single coil of wire wrapped around the poles.
Dude. That's exactly what I stated. what the *bleep*?
The humbucker design is patented. The PAF's you hear about (Patent Applied For) are the humbuckers that were built prior to Gibson getting the patent. Seth Lover is the guy who invented the humbucker design while an employee of Gibson (Seymour Duncan gave props to Seth by naming one of his pickups the Seth Lover model.) The reason why the early PAF's are so cherished is that they were hand-wound - each pickup had it's own unique tone. (which is why the term PAF applied to mass manufactured pickups is so ridiculous.)
I read an article from a big guitar maker or something .. I forget what exactly, it was a long time ago. But it mensioned the humbucker design was not patented, thats how I got my information. If you can get some proof in this information I would seriously love to read it all up dude, I get into this information like a fat kid in a cake factory.
Humbuckers have two coils, wound in reverse of each other - which combined with the reverse polarity of each magnet, give you a hum-cancelling effect - hence the name "Humbucker".
Ah! Exactly what I was looking for. After seeing that rare ovation guitar it had me thinking, but this fixes it all lol. Thanks!
P90's are not stacked humbuckers. P90's are single coil pickups with a wider bobbin. The wider bobbin allows the pickup to be influenced by a wider area of string vibration - giving it a fatter tone. A "soapbar P90" is a specific style of P90 - called soapbar because the cover looks like a bar of soap (seriously) - the other type of P90 is a "dog-ear P90", called dog-ear because the pickup cover has two extensions off the side for screws.
Again, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
You mean 250k.
Thanks again!
Make that 500k.
And once more, thanks!
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Also, I'll try getting some information up tommorow. Pictures of proof, solid facts, everything. Then hopefully the next day we can all say it's good and move on to how the Floyd Rose tremelo works and everything.
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Actually, I said that before I read your whole post. I have to admit, for the most part you did hit the nail to the head. But for a lot, it was a swing and miss.
I think you mean the first solid-body electric guitar was Les Paul's "The Log" which was a 4 x 4 fence post. The first electric guitars were Spanish guitars with pickups - that is where Gibson got the term "ES" for Electric Spanish.
Actually, no. I was thinking about a company that actually faded away after the product I mensioned. As stated in my post, I was going to get up a picture of it and everything. A little patience goes a long way.
Do you mean the density of the wood? Because there really is no such thing as "thin" wood. There are light woods, woods with tighter grain, hard woods, soft woods... The density of the wood affects the tone and the stiffness. Also remember that the truss rod in the neck is what keeps the neck strait.
Soft. I meant soft. But if you were here, and did the same carving as I did, you'd think that thin would be a good word to describe it, too. Along with this you mensioned the truss rod, now I understand perfectly but a little metal rod isn't going to determine the whole neck.
Again, there is no "thin" wood. The thickness of the neck also has nothing to do with the tuning ever since the use of truss rods.
Haha, you kidding? I'll try getting up some examples later on. I did NOT learn this myself, someone had to show me in depth on how this part works and maybe I could bring it up too.
Correct. Add that rosewood is a "warmer" sounding wood - you get less treble response, more mids and lows - with a smoother attack. Maple is a "brighter" wood - you get more treble, less mids and lows - and a sharper attack. Ebony is a "bright" wood - very clear, very sharp attack. (Keep in mind that within each type of wood there are different species of that variety that will accentuate the characteristics of that variety.)
Well, since you critisized what I said in a manner that if I stated this info right here you'd be on me. So, my turn? Fretboard wood is not an amplifier, you cannot scoop the mids or anything of the sort.
Truss rods really are used to counter the tension of strings and maintain the curvature - or straightness - of the fretboard.
See! LOL, this is exactly what I meant from the last comment! All you did here was rephrase what I said .. Jesus Christ.
Are you talking about if a neck is shaped from a solid piece of wood - or if it has a separate headstock piece?
Body has a joint for the neck, the neck is placed there, the neck is headless and has a headstock placed on. Some guitars you will find without a joint for the headstock
Actually it's called single coil because it has a single coil of wire wrapped around the poles.
Dude. That's exactly what I stated. what the *bleep*?
The humbucker design is patented. The PAF's you hear about (Patent Applied For) are the humbuckers that were built prior to Gibson getting the patent. Seth Lover is the guy who invented the humbucker design while an employee of Gibson (Seymour Duncan gave props to Seth by naming one of his pickups the Seth Lover model.) The reason why the early PAF's are so cherished is that they were hand-wound - each pickup had it's own unique tone. (which is why the term PAF applied to mass manufactured pickups is so ridiculous.)
I read an article from a big guitar maker or something .. I forget what exactly, it was a long time ago. But it mensioned the humbucker design was not patented, thats how I got my information. If you can get some proof in this information I would seriously love to read it all up dude, I get into this information like a fat kid in a cake factory.
Humbuckers have two coils, wound in reverse of each other - which combined with the reverse polarity of each magnet, give you a hum-cancelling effect - hence the name "Humbucker".
Ah! Exactly what I was looking for. After seeing that rare ovation guitar it had me thinking, but this fixes it all lol. Thanks!
P90's are not stacked humbuckers. P90's are single coil pickups with a wider bobbin. The wider bobbin allows the pickup to be influenced by a wider area of string vibration - giving it a fatter tone. A "soapbar P90" is a specific style of P90 - called soapbar because the cover looks like a bar of soap (seriously) - the other type of P90 is a "dog-ear P90", called dog-ear because the pickup cover has two extensions off the side for screws.
Again, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
You mean 250k.
Thanks again!
Make that 500k.
And once more, thanks!
-------
Also, I'll try getting some information up tommorow. Pictures of proof, solid facts, everything. Then hopefully the next day we can all say it's good and move on to how the Floyd Rose tremelo works and everything.
Little update. I'm looking for pictures, I might just say f*** it. Right now I couldn't find any in the magazines I own, but I used google and found something really close to the 2x4
This is pretty much what I meant. As you see, no --edit--, no Gibson name, nothing of the sort. Now, weither it's what I saw before or not I'm not sure ..
http://www.myrareguitars.com/eLaBaye.html Here is the article, and it does mension the same guitar you did. So it's all good, right?
This is pretty much what I meant. As you see, no --edit--, no Gibson name, nothing of the sort. Now, weither it's what I saw before or not I'm not sure ..
http://www.myrareguitars.com/eLaBaye.html Here is the article, and it does mension the same guitar you did. So it's all good, right?
How about Googling info b4 you post it?
You might want to read up on guitar woods and how the different types of wood do make a tone difference - that includes the type of wood used on fretboards. Google "fretboard wood tone"
Here's a snippet from Tom Anderson's site:
Neck wood lends color to the guitars tonal character which is primarily defined by the body wood.
The most frequent topic in the neck wood debate is Solid Maple vs. Maple with a rosewood fingerboard : Most people who are interested in the sonic influences of wood have heard it said, a maple neck produces a brighter sound than that of maple with a rosewood fingerboard. However, allow us to elaborate. Solid maple doesn't seem to chop off the bottom end of the sound as much as it seems to tighten and control that bottom. So, a maple neck does have a good bottom end but with clarity, definition and control. Rosewood on the other hand has a looser, louder bottom end sound to it. As far as the high end is concerned, maple does the same thing up here. It tightens and controls the high end so you don't really hear the sparkling upper end that the rosewood makes. (Something like the sizzle of the drummer's high hat cymbals) In the midrange, solid maple is clear and present without sounding hard, while rosewood is breathy and scooped in the mid to upper mid range area.
Humbuckers being patented: Google "Gibson humbucker patent"
Here's a snippet from Gibson's site:
It took the US patent office until 1959 to grant Gibson this patent, which is why Gibson humbuckers from the ?????50s and early ?????60s feature a decal with the phrase ?????patent applied for????? printed on them.
You might want to read up on guitar woods and how the different types of wood do make a tone difference - that includes the type of wood used on fretboards. Google "fretboard wood tone"
Here's a snippet from Tom Anderson's site:
Neck wood lends color to the guitars tonal character which is primarily defined by the body wood.
The most frequent topic in the neck wood debate is Solid Maple vs. Maple with a rosewood fingerboard : Most people who are interested in the sonic influences of wood have heard it said, a maple neck produces a brighter sound than that of maple with a rosewood fingerboard. However, allow us to elaborate. Solid maple doesn't seem to chop off the bottom end of the sound as much as it seems to tighten and control that bottom. So, a maple neck does have a good bottom end but with clarity, definition and control. Rosewood on the other hand has a looser, louder bottom end sound to it. As far as the high end is concerned, maple does the same thing up here. It tightens and controls the high end so you don't really hear the sparkling upper end that the rosewood makes. (Something like the sizzle of the drummer's high hat cymbals) In the midrange, solid maple is clear and present without sounding hard, while rosewood is breathy and scooped in the mid to upper mid range area.
Humbuckers being patented: Google "Gibson humbucker patent"
Here's a snippet from Gibson's site:
It took the US patent office until 1959 to grant Gibson this patent, which is why Gibson humbuckers from the ?????50s and early ?????60s feature a decal with the phrase ?????patent applied for????? printed on them.
QUOTE (Screaming Stone @ Oct 2 2008, 02:16 PM) 
How about Googling info b4 you post it?
Sure, right. If this seriously bothers you that much I might just delete this topic and let you make your own. 'Cause honestly, I don't need to come back from 6 hours of school every day (little edit -- it's actually 10 if you count from the moment I wake up to the moment I finally get home each day), pass out for 5 more just to come online and see some loser is bitching at me for getting some very minor information wrong. The reason I posted this was to help fellow guitarists, that is my motivation.
Now, you brought up some new details. All I asked was citation, it's like turning in a college report, generally you will be required to cite your sources. Thats all I asked, little citations and mensioned I would've loved to read up on them as well. Didn't seem like much to me?
Anyways, last note. I'm not updating this too frequently anymore, if someone gets on my a** about mis-information I'll just look at your post and say, "Oh. Eh, great .. I'll get to it when I feel like it." We all have better things to do. (For me it's my drivers liscense, I'll find out if I passed drivers ed or not tommorow
)
Joe, get some sleep.
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